Capt'n Gator
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NO, still 100% BULL here, 64 years of batting for the same team, not a switch hitter.
Carolina BarnStormers Spring 2024
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ultracruiser41
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Gonna be a fun one!!
Hope y’all can make it
Hope y’all can make it
WaspAir
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Nice looking J-2!
ultracruiser41
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Too bad that one doesn’t exist anymore….. hot shot Navy pilot thought he could fly anything
MikeBoyette
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Thought I recognized it. Of course if it's the one I'm thinking of last I saw it was in the lake at the end of the runway and referred to as a cracked formerly of Sandyeego. Lol. Wonder how Ole sensitive Kenny is..Too bad that one doesn’t exist anymore….. hot shot Navy pilot thought he could fly anything
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WaspAir
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Tragic.Too bad that one doesn’t exist anymore….. hot shot Navy pilot thought he could fly anything
N962GT
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- Total Flight Time
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"No, I'm no ANGLE", a-la Gregg Allman, LOL it's ANGEL in 1st post, Barry. Calendar marked, CYA there with the unchallenged world's best climbing multi-seat gyro since 2011 
. I'll bring along the hand-held Garmin Etrex for anyone wanting to record a climb. Who knows, maybe there'll be some serious competition at long last to take away my self-proclaimed title after all these years. No one's stepped up to date, other than Barry Thigpen with his 670 Dominator which is in a different class as a single, but I'm going to take up Barry T's offer to do a climb taking off together side-by-side. I'll head up well before the festivities to practice with him first though, as I'm not much of a pilot and will need to do this in increments first until I get comfortable enough for TO in tight formation.
. I'll bring along the hand-held Garmin Etrex for anyone wanting to record a climb. Who knows, maybe there'll be some serious competition at long last to take away my self-proclaimed title after all these years. No one's stepped up to date, other than Barry Thigpen with his 670 Dominator which is in a different class as a single, but I'm going to take up Barry T's offer to do a climb taking off together side-by-side. I'll head up well before the festivities to practice with him first though, as I'm not much of a pilot and will need to do this in increments first until I get comfortable enough for TO in tight formation.
N962GT
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Ken Wallis is cited in Wikipedia as having climbed to 1000' in 56 seconds. That's in a single-seat gyro weighing 255 lb empty, he was probably about 150 lbs, and with 6 lbs of fuel that is 411 lbs TOW. IF it was 72 HP Mac, Horse power-to-weight ratio would have been .150, and with a 20.3' rotor disk loading 1.27# per SF.
Fartin' around 9/30/23 density alt. 1600' (CUB is 194' MSL), NR prop, WOT 9400 ERPM/ 140HP, I recorded a climb from a dead stop, zero AGL to 1000' in the Gunslinger in 57 seconds with my 18 lb. SS muffler, front seat backpack with junk in it, 30# of fuel, and pilot weight 200# dressed w/helmet. Gunslinger is 570 lbs dry, plus 16 lbs oil & water, so TOW ~816#, making that 1.72 HP/lb and 1.33 lb/SF disk loading.
I haven't found any 0-1000' gyro climbs listed yet any better than Ken's 1071 FPM, mine wound up at 1051 FPM and I know mine is better than Ken's if the run is weight-compensated, like how weight is added to saddles for jockeys racing thoroughbreds.
No other records have been kept for rotorcraft climbs outside of Europe which only has a time-to-climb to 3000 meters (~10,000 ft). I've never seen more than about 3500' in my time flying gyros, so the euro standard seems really excessive to me. Plus who's going to pack up their bird and drag it all the way to damn Europe just to mount a gyro climb record assault? Fk that.
It's way past time we had an AMERICAN standards, official, record for this thing! PRA hasn't done jack since they had one climb competition back in what, 2010. Bensen Days is even more lame-o, not one climb competition to date, Sally.
There are plenty of hotrod gyros flying in the USA, and with the Rotax 915 and next the 916 I, for one, would really like to see what these engines will do compared to any Mohawk Aero YG4 I've built: 140 HP Gunslinger (f.k.a. the Wicked) Air Command low rider tandem 2011, 165hp EXUP "Godzilla" (Geoff Resney 2019) Air Command Elite tandem; or 140 HP YG4 Air Command single (Kurt Carleson, 2015).
Yeah, OK, one guy with an Edge Performance turbo 912 154HP in a 670 lb AR-1 actually challenged me to a race at AFP in 2022, but we all know that top speed is all about big $$$, with the fastest, enclosed, ELA gyros costing $165,000+ dollars.
My Gunslinger Air Command tandem cost a grand total of $6000 to build.
Besides, top speed has never been the goal for me in a gyro. All I've ever been interested in with gyros besides flying below tree tops has been best climb - i.e., best power-to-weight efficiency. I told everyone here on RF that I was goign to try do it way back when I first started flying in 2006, and I accomplished that in 2011. But speed? Hell, I have no idea how fast my draggy, outdated, 1995 Air Command "low rider" with it's listed VNE of 90 MPH will go. I've never pushed it beyond 95 IAS with the 28' Dragon Wings, and never beyond 92 MPH with the original, red SkyWheels - where it started shaking like the dickens, and anyone trying to push it faster than that would have been asking to get their ticket punched and check out. Nope, I may never know my gyro's top speed, and could not care less.
In fact, Meghan Trainor wrote a song about this in 2013:
"Because you know I'm all about that climb
'Bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb (climb, climb, climb, climb)"
Barnstormers 2024. Gitterdun.
Fartin' around 9/30/23 density alt. 1600' (CUB is 194' MSL), NR prop, WOT 9400 ERPM/ 140HP, I recorded a climb from a dead stop, zero AGL to 1000' in the Gunslinger in 57 seconds with my 18 lb. SS muffler, front seat backpack with junk in it, 30# of fuel, and pilot weight 200# dressed w/helmet. Gunslinger is 570 lbs dry, plus 16 lbs oil & water, so TOW ~816#, making that 1.72 HP/lb and 1.33 lb/SF disk loading.
I haven't found any 0-1000' gyro climbs listed yet any better than Ken's 1071 FPM, mine wound up at 1051 FPM and I know mine is better than Ken's if the run is weight-compensated, like how weight is added to saddles for jockeys racing thoroughbreds.
No other records have been kept for rotorcraft climbs outside of Europe which only has a time-to-climb to 3000 meters (~10,000 ft). I've never seen more than about 3500' in my time flying gyros, so the euro standard seems really excessive to me. Plus who's going to pack up their bird and drag it all the way to damn Europe just to mount a gyro climb record assault? Fk that.
It's way past time we had an AMERICAN standards, official, record for this thing! PRA hasn't done jack since they had one climb competition back in what, 2010. Bensen Days is even more lame-o, not one climb competition to date, Sally.
There are plenty of hotrod gyros flying in the USA, and with the Rotax 915 and next the 916 I, for one, would really like to see what these engines will do compared to any Mohawk Aero YG4 I've built: 140 HP Gunslinger (f.k.a. the Wicked) Air Command low rider tandem 2011, 165hp EXUP "Godzilla" (Geoff Resney 2019) Air Command Elite tandem; or 140 HP YG4 Air Command single (Kurt Carleson, 2015).
Yeah, OK, one guy with an Edge Performance turbo 912 154HP in a 670 lb AR-1 actually challenged me to a race at AFP in 2022, but we all know that top speed is all about big $$$, with the fastest, enclosed, ELA gyros costing $165,000+ dollars.
My Gunslinger Air Command tandem cost a grand total of $6000 to build.
Besides, top speed has never been the goal for me in a gyro. All I've ever been interested in with gyros besides flying below tree tops has been best climb - i.e., best power-to-weight efficiency. I told everyone here on RF that I was goign to try do it way back when I first started flying in 2006, and I accomplished that in 2011. But speed? Hell, I have no idea how fast my draggy, outdated, 1995 Air Command "low rider" with it's listed VNE of 90 MPH will go. I've never pushed it beyond 95 IAS with the 28' Dragon Wings, and never beyond 92 MPH with the original, red SkyWheels - where it started shaking like the dickens, and anyone trying to push it faster than that would have been asking to get their ticket punched and check out. Nope, I may never know my gyro's top speed, and could not care less.
In fact, Meghan Trainor wrote a song about this in 2013:
"Because you know I'm all about that climb
'Bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb, no speed
I'm all about that climb, 'bout that climb (climb, climb, climb, climb)"
Barnstormers 2024. Gitterdun.
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ultracruiser41
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Gonna be a fun one….. and I’ve already put in the request for excellent weather!
Resasi
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Nothing 'woke' 'bout Sun'n Fun gyronauts.
The Governor down here's a tad against that sort of tomfoolery.
ultracruiser41
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Everyone has fun at a Barnstormers fly-in
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MikeBoyette
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Love it at least someone appreciates the best gyro ever built. lolEveryone has fun at a Barnstormers fly-in
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Michael Perdue
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I will be coming down from VA with the tractor gyro and likely have two other friends i've meet with two more gyro's coming down. one local man and another from ohio
ultracruiser41
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ultracruiser41
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THIS IS A BUMP!
Coming up quick!
Make your plans!
Get a sitter for the pets!
Finish the Honey Due list!
May 16-19. Barnstormers Spring Wing Ding 2024.
Coming up quick!
Make your plans!
Get a sitter for the pets!
Finish the Honey Due list!
May 16-19. Barnstormers Spring Wing Ding 2024.
I'll see you there, my fellow Virginian.
ultracruiser41
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Today’s fantasy Sunday April 28!
Barnstormers Anson County Airport KAFP North Carolina May 13 through May 21
Monday, May 13 Leave Santa Maria, CA for Santa Rosa, New Mexico 15:37, 1,027 miles
Tuesday, May 14 Santa Rosa, NM to Dixon, TN 15.28 1066 miles
Wednesday, May 15 Dixon, TN to Wadesboro, NC 8:17 506 miles
Carolina Barnstormers May 16 through May 19
Sunday afternoon May 19 Leave Wadesboro, NC to Dixon, TN 8:16 519 miles
Monday May 20, Dixon, TN to Santa Rosa, NM 15:28 1,066 miles
Tuesday May 21, Santa Rosa, NM to home 15.37 1,027 miles
Driving time 78:21 Miles 5,224
Looks like fun to me.
I have one more thing to clean up before I will know if it is all going to work out, hope to find out Monday April 29.
Barnstormers Anson County Airport KAFP North Carolina May 13 through May 21
Monday, May 13 Leave Santa Maria, CA for Santa Rosa, New Mexico 15:37, 1,027 miles
Tuesday, May 14 Santa Rosa, NM to Dixon, TN 15.28 1066 miles
Wednesday, May 15 Dixon, TN to Wadesboro, NC 8:17 506 miles
Carolina Barnstormers May 16 through May 19
Sunday afternoon May 19 Leave Wadesboro, NC to Dixon, TN 8:16 519 miles
Monday May 20, Dixon, TN to Santa Rosa, NM 15:28 1,066 miles
Tuesday May 21, Santa Rosa, NM to home 15.37 1,027 miles
Driving time 78:21 Miles 5,224
Looks like fun to me.
I have one more thing to clean up before I will know if it is all going to work out, hope to find out Monday April 29.
ultracruiser41
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